Travis (kyuuketsukirui) wrote in sga_canada_help,


I stole the idea for this comm from hp_britglish, which is possibly the most helpful comm I've ever come across. But SGA appears to have no such system in place for people wanting to write Canadian characters realistically.

I started writing a new fic today and suddenly realised I had no idea whether the Canadian school system was significantly different than the US, or whether Twinkies were a common food (no to both). Wikipedia and Google helped me out, but that still left me wondering what wee!Rodney should eat instead of Twinkies. Yes, I could ask my flist, and I did.

But what happens when someone else desperately needs to know about Canadian snacks? They'll never find the info on my journal, especially if they don't even know me. But with a comm, it's all neat and organised, and anyone can browse through and hopefully find the answer they need. And if not, they can ask! And helpful Canadians will answer their questions.

Although I made the comm with SGA in mind, anyone can ask questions, regardless of fandom. The more members we have, the better chance there is of getting your questions answered, so please pimp this comm!
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The Canadian school system is not significantly different than that of the United States, but there are some slight differences that your post did not address. I read the article on Wikipedia and I think that it is inaccurate in saying that all Canadians go to middle school.

In the province of Ontario it is my understanding that middle schools are not common except in larger cities such as Ottawa and those in the greater Toronto area etc. I am from a small town of about 60,000 people and did not attend a middle school and neither did my parents. We had an elementary school that was JK - Grade 8, and then high school from Grade 9 to Grade 12.

In regards to high schools in Canada they are generally from Grade 9 to Grade 12, though until 2003 in Ontario there was also OAC or Grade 13. Furthermore, Canadians don't tend to use the terms "Freshman" or "Sophomore" etc. In my locality we called it Grade 9 for example, but not 9th Grade or Freshmen year. If you were in OAC you'd say "I'm in OAC" and not "I'm in Grade 13".

Great community, I look forward to answering questions. XD
Thanks for the info! That's actually the same in the US about middle schools. My high school, for example, was a combined high school/jr high and went from 7-12. There are also quite a few schools that have elementary from K-8 (usually Catholic schools).
I'm not entirely sure, but I think high schools in Western Canada are actually grades 10-12, and middle school is junior high (grades 7-9) where there is three way elementary/middle/high school division- that's Alberta, anyway, and I'm pretty sure Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and BC are the same.
That's how it used to be in the US. I think there are still some schools that divide that way, but most have moved to include 9th grade in high school (but when I was in elementary school, 9th grade was still part of jr high).
In Saskatchewan and Manitoba Highschool is for grades 10-12 whereas in British Columbia, Highschool is grades 9-12 because they have to be different (I was born in raised in Manitoba, lived in Ontario for 10 years then moved to BC 5 years ago). Also, we'd never call it "middle school" we call it Junior High.

It all depends where you live. I went to the same school in Manitoba from K-9 and everyone in grades K-6 were called "elementary" and once you got to grade 7 you could call yourself "Junior High". However in the next district they had a separate Elementary and Junior High school because their schools were older and we had the new "super school" so you could hang out with the same people and get beat up by them for 10 years of your life. It was great.

Also, in Ontario they have Grade 13 or OAC which is mostly a prep for University. Ah, someone already said that already. But I'll say it again ;D
Isn't grade 13 gone? I remember, when I was younger, I was out with some guy who referenced grade 13 and I thought he had failed a grade and was retaking it. So I referred to him as cute but stupid for about two months before I found out about crazy Ontario. But I'm pretty sure it's gone now.


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I grew up in Regina, Sask, and I don't think there are any middle-schools/junior high schools there. Elementary was from K-8, and highschool was from 9-12.

On another note, out here on the east coast (just in case anyone is interested in writing about Chucknician, where it seems fandom is based mostly off Chuck's real life) - at least, in Nova Scotia, I can't really speak for New Brunswick or PEI or Newfoundland - there's also grade Primary, which confused the hell out of me when I first moved here.

Primary is the equivalent of 'kindergarten' out here, and kindergarten is an optional pre-grade-Primary choice. (I think it's optional).


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NOT ALL Saskatchewan cities have middle schools. My friends who went to school in Swift Current went to "junior high" from grades 7-9 but in Regina there are no middle schools. I attended elementary school from K-7 and high school from grades 8-12. The eighth graders were known as "freshmen". However, most high schools in Regina do go from 9-12. Just an FYI. Also, I can't speak for Saskatoon :).
To summarize:

Every province's school system is different.

Each changed with time.

It's best to check out Wikipedia for a specific example. Also posting specifics here will help.

For example, there is no grade 13 anymore, nor is there the OAC that lots of people persisted in calling "Grade 13", there are still Catholic school boards in Ontario and Alberta (and some parts of Sask), Protestant school boards do not (but did a mere decade ago), NS and NB don't have kindergarten but do have a far duller version called "primary", and there are so many other differences that you just can't say that there's a "Canadian" school system. Whew! :)

"Grade 13" / OAC:

A great link on Canadian school systems, but only today, *not* historically:

Yeah, I found Wikipedia to be a lot of help in that regard.
Very cool idea. I'm a Canadian, I'm an SGA fan, and since I pester the people over on hp_britglish on a regular basis, I definitely owe some answers. :-D
Yay! :D

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Ooh, those look good. And it says they've been around for 75 years, so they're probably a good choice. Thanks! :D
Jos Louis is a particular 'thing' in Quebec - "un pepsi et un Jos Louis" is a sort of generally derogatory statement. Alternatively growing up in Quebec we actually usually ate May Wests, which have a buttery cream inside and are OH SO DELICIOUS in a chemical-induced euphoria way, heh. (Seriously, they have a tastier chocolate and the butter cream, mmm, better than Jos Louis by a mile, yes).

In other words, cool idea for a comm, I'm totally in even if I don't know the first thing about SGA (maybe you could encourage people to give a tiny bit of info with their questions, like a year or age or gender if it's ambiguous? And can I ask - does SGA have significant Canadian content? Cos that's cool. :)


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Speaking from Southern Ontario -- Mississauga as a kid, Kitchener as an adult:

In the late 70s and most of the 80s, the snack foods of choice were Jos. Louis, Half Moons (twinkie like), Froot Roll Ups (80s).

Plus, a fun Canadian thing to throw in are things like Ketchup Chips. Hostess was a popular brand in the 80s -- Ketchup, Smokey Bacon, Salt & Vinegar, and Sour Cream & Onion, were new and popular in the 80s, as well as horrible experiments like Hot Dog, Hamburger, or Pizza chips *shudder*

Junior High is most common in the public school system -- K-5, 6-8, 9-12 (OAC), but even in the same city it's pretty random.

Catholic schools in my area tend to go from JK/SK (Junior and Senior Kindergarden) to 8, 9-12, though, to make things more confusing, some schools were JK-6, 7-12(OAC)

OAC stands for Ontario Academic Credit. I think it replaced grade 13 in 1983. That means that if you use DH's birth year ('67), Rodney would have gone to OAC unless he skipped through school quickly. (Skipping grades was allowed back then, it isn't really allowed now)
I have never eaten a twinkie in my life. Nor have I eaten one of those brown cupcakes with a white squigle, or a ding dong.

I went to elementary school from K-7 and then high school from 8-12. I had a locker in highschool, but it was only a half locker until I hit g.12.

Smarties are chocolate, but m&ms are so much better.

I'm from Vancouver, BC and I am happy to answer any and all questions.
*waves* I'm from Vancouver, BC. Feel free to shoot some questions at me if you feel the need. XD

Snacks-wise... I have no idea what's "strictly Canadian"... I suppose elephant ears count (though that's more at amusement parks), and people from the east coast have something equivilent to that (supposedly they taste better but the name's slipped my mind at the moment).

I lived in a different country for grades 3 and 4 (though it was called "The Canadian International School of Hong Kong, so if you want to ponder what Canadian international schools are like, I can help with that). I had a full locker from grades 5-7 (though I think in grade 6 I had to share with a friend - too many students in the class). Grades 8-12 was high school, and we had half lockers. *thinks* I we had designated hooks for our backpacks and jackets from grades 1-4... in... I think they were called cloak rooms. O_o

Okay. I'll just leave it at that.
Snacks-wise... I have no idea what's "strictly Canadian"...

I wasn't necessarily looking for something exclusively Canadian. I just want to make sure that he's not eating something exclusively American.
Eeek! Sacrilege! Smarties are far, far better than M&Ms, any day. *g*

*waves* Hi! Alberta checking in. Great idea for a comm, BTW. Happy to answer questions as needed.
Hmmmm, are you coming to Con-Version 23 in Calgary this summer? I'm trying to put together an SGA, or at least general Stargate panel.
I've never been to a Con and from the many things I've heard tossed around about the management-side of things, I'm honestly a bit chary. Tell me more, though, and I'll consider it. :-)


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Yay Canada! What a great comm idea - but then I am somewhat biased being Canadian myself. I currently live just outside of Toronto so I'll be more than happy to provide any info where needed.

Yay! :D
Old post, but I'm commenting anyway... In Manitoba, high schools are called collegiates, like Louis Riel Collegiate, and in small towns there's usually only K-6 and 7-12. I'm not sure if the collegiate thing is anywhere else; when I go with my friend to her house in western ON, her old school is Fort Frannces High School.